Comments on: Chasing a Mirage – Political Islam Versus Secularism – A new book sparks a heated debate between Muslims of different schools

By: Cahalil

Cahalil — Sun, 20 Dec 2009 04:59:12 +0000

Barry, you contrast the supposed love and tolerance of Christianity with the violence of Islam. Fine, let us accept that is true for argument’s sake. How then would explain the fact the Old Testament prophets, who, in Christian eyes, were genuine and authentic mouth-pieces of God, also resorted to lifting the sword against their enemies in ways that were no less violent than Islam’s prophet. The Israelites were commanded by God in the OT to slaughter the people of Canaan: men, women, children and even animals. There is nothing even comparable to such violence in Islam’s early history. If you can accept the Old Testament prophets as individuals doing God’s will, your arguments against Islam ring hollow.

By: DrM

DrM — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 08:49:16 +0000

It’s painfully obvious that “joe” is lying through his teeth to promote the zionist hate site “faithfreedom.” Not only are you a liar but a bad one at that “joe.” You were never a “sunny muslem” just like you never went to an actual Muslim school. Islam does not call for death for apostasy, had you actually gone to an Islamic school you would never have said that. The death penalty applies to those “apostates” who ENTER the religion to betray and sabotage it like the pagans of Medina were attempting to do. The ruling actually DISCOURAGES conversion to Islam if your intent is malicious. You’re what I call a fake “ex-Muslim” like many of charlatans promoting anti-Islamic propaganda to make a living in the West these days. As for your precious “Ali Sina,” the coward has ran from every debate he’s ever been challenged to over the years.

You, like him are a failure and a fraud.

By: joe

joe — Sat, 26 Sep 2009 23:31:40 +0000

i left islam many years ago. i was born and raised as a sunny muslem i remember vividly the cruelty enforced in madrassa if one did not remember something. islam survived through the ages and continue to survive thru sheer cruelty and barbaric savagery, its a criminal offence for any muslem to renounce islam punishable by death !!!.islam is the only so called religion which demonises other peoples as KAFIER/MURTAD/INFIDELS/NON BELIEVERS,WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ISLAM.dr ali sina has challenged any muslem to openly debate islam, and mohamad and the quran but not one muslem has taken up the challenge instaed all muslems do is threaten him with evil, which ironically underscores the evil inherent in islam. why wont any muslem debate dr ali sina from faithfredom.org?

By: barry

barry — Wed, 06 May 2009 17:34:17 +0000

i have had the privilege of working with and befriending a number of muslims and found them a joy to know.
it is impossible to reconcile this with the horrific acts we see committed by extremists all too often against innocent muslims.
how can i not empathise with those victims as i feel for the tens of millions of victims in the soviet union?
how can i not feel my freedoms threatened by these types of movements that have such a history?
i have read enough of the hadiths to know that no matter how we whitewash the acts of the prophet (which are described very plainly)we are left with a legacy of domination and violence, suggesting it was lucifer as mohammad suspected , not gabriel speaking from the cave.who does the quran say that the prophet consulted with in determining whether it was of god, not the devil? -his wife- who wasn’t even present in that cave! it would make sense then that the quran would go on to say that christ never died on the cross for man’s freedom, and we are mere subjects of god’s whim, not his children and that most women will occupy hell.
i can only think that the reason why there are so many good and loving muslims is because they are in fact god’s children and by his nature do not follow every directive in the hadiths.
the new testament does not authorize the invasions, colonizations, beheadings, taking of slaves, forcing female captives into sex(rape), stoning adulturers, slaying of critics, etc, like the quran or hadiths say to muslims very clearly.
as a christian who owes a lot to our reformation against the catholic church (remember their 3 century crusade versus the 9 centuries of jihad?) , –not that christ’s teachings about forgiveness required reformation (nor the total absence of him “spreading religion by the sword”)-i do hope it is somehow possible to salvage whatever good you can from your religion in some type of reformation , before it is totally controlled by those who literally interpret your books and act to impose it on us both.
. i would rather see the earth destroyed than the whole human race enslaved . the extremists have shown no regard for rules of war and no respect for my civilization .they will find out how dire we can make their tribal existence should we decide to completely “take off the gloves” and start acting totally unchristlike.
i pray for your success in this struggle, so i don’t have to abandon my faith in defending the one thing worth fighting for-my freedom.

By: Faisal Janjua

Faisal Janjua — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:46:03 +0000

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